We all know and hate the gated content playbook. You give your email to download an ebook, then get dropped into a bad nurture sequence or sales cadence. But is a gate with good intentions really that bad?
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Mike, I was on Instagram threads today.
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Remember that thing?
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I don't know.
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You still want it?
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It's Instagram.
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What threads?
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Yeah, I know.
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I know.
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I haven't been on there since the.
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I haven't been on there since the.
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Elon, the longest.
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Yeah, but so it's it's it's it's still a thing.
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Yeah, it was.
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It is.
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I think.
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But I was on there just scrolling forward.
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I think I had some notification and I don't know why.
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But I just have to get rid of my notifications when I went up.
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It's really annoying.
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And I saw that we were like semi semi called out as a company.
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Now we weren't at mentioned.
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It was actually kind of interesting.
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Cause I was just like in my feed, like, and I saw my face, which was very
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concerning.
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I'm a little traumatizing.
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But there's this person that basically was calling us out for basically.
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I don't call them out.
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I don't want to get why not.
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I don't even remember their name, to be honest with you.
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Oh, there's a male on the internet.
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That's that's basically a man on the internet.
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We get our.
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That's how every bad story starts.
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I know man on the internet with an anonymous man.
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Florida, right.
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But go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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OK, so we had just done a webinar a few weeks ago all around the value of using
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the exclusive content as a function of driving your own audience, basically
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converting your audience into a traffic effectively into known subscribers by
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strategically leveraging exclusive content.
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And we made it a point to call out that when we say exclusive content, we don't
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mean necessarily gated content, or at least that there's a there's some
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an evolution of the concept of throwing a form gate in front of a video unn
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aturally.
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And then another blog or another ebook or whatever where we're sort of
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tricking our audience into filling out a form so that we can then dump them
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into
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a email, nurture cadence or whatever the case is with this idea of exclusive
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content,
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which is meant to be of high value.
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And we've built a platform that ultimately is people subscribe once they get
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access to everything much like you would with sub stack or patreon or any of
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these
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other tools in the consumer context.
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And what this random internet person was calling us out for was that that very
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webinar, we made exclusive to our to our audience, to our subscribers.
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So you'd have to be a subscriber to read this piece of content.
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Yeah.
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And he sort of took issue with the fact that we were talking about why
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exclusive
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content isn't gated and we quote unquote gated it from from their perspective.
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And so I wanted to open up this this conversation with you because
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this is something that I think gating content is something that really gets
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people riled up this conversation.
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And so what's your perspective?
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Let's start at the highest level here about should you gate content?
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Should you not gate content?
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I feel I feel kind of silly even bringing this one up, but.
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Um, yeah.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So, um, I, I think like whether you should or shouldn't gate something.
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Uh, I gotta take a step back.
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We need ways to communicate with our potential buyers, right?
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As marketers, like there's no getting away from that.
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Like if someone's visiting your site and reading all your blogs and, you know,
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consuming all of your content and they're, you know, on dark social, they're
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seeing all your posts and all sort of stuff.
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Like if they do not like request a demo or agree to take a meeting with you or
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like fill out their email address to see the demo center or download a case
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study
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or like until they make themselves known to you, then you're like kind of in
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the
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dark, right?
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And then modern marketers can't really like do our job.
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Like we need to be able to forecast the pipeline and tell the CFO like how the
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things that we're doing are working or not working.
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And like, have we gotten into a mode where like we're, we're focused on making
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the,
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the cell on the spreadsheet that says MQL target green over focusing on like
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driving the revenue up and delighting our customers and doing all the stuff
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that marketers are supposed to do a hundred percent.
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Like the whole thing has gotten totally like spun out and perverted from it's
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like original thing, which was meant to be like a helpful leading indicator for
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marketers to understand if they're engaging the right people.
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Now it's like the MQL target is like tied to your comp.
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And so you do all this on natural shit.
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Do it.
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Okay.
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So just setting the stage there.
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Yes.
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I think whether or not you gate something is directly related to how good the
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marketing
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is, how valuable it is to the person who you're trying to reach.
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And it could be, it could be so valuable that like maybe some paradigm that we
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've
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never even explored exists.
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Like you make something that's like worth a thousand dollar one time purchase.
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Like that people are probably listening to this and being like that's insane.
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But like you can imagine.
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Oh, it's attending.
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Attending.
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Yeah.
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We should have more than that.
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Yeah.
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Like where something that good exists and like in that case, like you would
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gate it because like people would buy it and they would tell you who they are.
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Right.
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Right.
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Um, I don't think that you should gate things that are not super valuable.
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But I would also just back up and say like nobody cares if something's
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gated or not gated.
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I don't think that I don't think they do.
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I also don't think people really care about what happens to them after.
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Uh, like they're not just because you throw them into a nurture cadence.
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Doesn't mean that people are allergic to nurture cadences.
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It means your nurture cadence sucks.
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If they don't like it, right?
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Like, or the, or I don't like being called or forced into a sales cycle.
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If I didn't opt into one, don't put people into a active sales cycle.
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Yeah.
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Because they downloaded the ebook, right?
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Like, and this is where I think like the details really matter is if somebody
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like downloads a piece of content that is, um, you know, related to some
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business
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problem and the follow up or the nurture cadence or whatever.
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The thing that happens afterwards is like deeply related to the insights
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from that particular thing related to their industry and their job is focused
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on trying to help them or add value to their life.
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Then I think it's like totally fine to do the entire like marketing industrial
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complex the way that it exists.
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You know, like imagine someone goes to your site and like download or subscribe
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to like, let's say you're like a sock to compliance bender.
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Okay.
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Uh, a senior director of IT at a series B startup is on your site and they like
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download the 10 steps to sock to compliance checklist or whatever.
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We just did this this week, by the way.
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So this is.
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Yeah.
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So.
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The contention of the person who was commenting online was like people want
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that
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checklist.
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They don't like what happens after.
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Um, I don't, I think that there's a way to make what happens after that.
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Really, really interesting.
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Like, for example, you probably have a subject matter expert CIO on your team.
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If you're the company who's providing sock to compliance stuff, like instead of
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being like, do you want to spend 30 minutes of your time getting sold by a,
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you know, mid market account executive that I can intro you to?
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What if you were like, Hey, click here to book 10 minutes with our CIO with
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this
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background who can help advise on your next product strategy.
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Yeah.
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And like, that's just a completely different thing.
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So I think it's like a value and offer alignment can make gating, like,
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gating or not, gating is like a not the right question to ask.
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It's like, are we adding a lot of value at every stage of this relationship
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with
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the customer that's worth them giving up their information or their dollars or
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their time or whatever.
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And if it's not like when something's not good, people don't like it.
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When something is good, people are like, give me more of the thing.
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So like, I just, I don't know this all.
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I hate this conversation because it's like it's all to me, it always comes back
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to
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like, is your marketing good or is your marketing shitty?
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And if it's shitty, like, guess what people aren't going to like, like to go
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through a gated form or subscribe to a membership or be told by your team
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automatically.
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Like, of course.
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Yeah, but if it's good, then they're going to be like, I want more of where
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that came
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from.
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And so this all comes down to like, is your team delivering value for your
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target audience?
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Or are they not?
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Because if they're, if they are, then I don't think this gating versus
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ungating thing really matters that much personally.
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And you know, again, a lot of our inspiration comes from looking at the
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consumer world.
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And I don't, you know, you look at the sub stacks and patreons and so many
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other
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examples and this conversation just doesn't happen.
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Yeah.
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Like, you don't hear this.
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Like the only real value to your point is like the quality of the
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and craftsmanship of what these creators are doing.
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And if it's good, then not only are you happy to give them your email address
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to
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your point, you're willing to pay for it.
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You want to pay for a newsletter that's insane or to subscribe to like whatever
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you're subscribing to on Patreon.
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You have the opportunity to consume something and it only costs you an email
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address or whatever.
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But that only works if the thing that you're consuming is good.
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Yeah.
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I mean, think about like the entire YouTube thing, right?
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It's like a people know it's like like and subscribe, like and subscribe, like
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so think about how that works.
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You go the discovery engine puts you in front of a video.
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The person does something in the beginning of the video because like hook
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testing and all that stuff is really, really important.
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They do something that's really valuable and entertaining and they get you
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hooked
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in and then they're like, hey, if you liked what you saw so far, like and
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subscribe.
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And now I'm making it much easier, the space between your access to my content
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got way closer.
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Yes.
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But the first thing is deliver really, really good stuff that the person
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decided they liked a lot.
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So it's like once you go over that hurdle, it's like the mechanism is like who
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cares?
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So the important part is did you hook them in and did the person go, oh, I
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want like there's a guy Kevin with Epic Gardening.
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They're one of our customers and he's huge on YouTube.
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Creates tons and tons of content about about gardening.
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People love it.
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And it's like, you know, he's adding tons and tons of value where people are
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like, oh,
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I'm going on a gardening journey.
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And this guy Kevin seems like someone I should learn from.
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I'm going to like and subscribe to his stuff and now like I'm getting Kevin in
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my
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life all the time.
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Yeah.
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It's like the like and subscribe isn't the part that's like the worth innov
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ating on
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the content he's putting out, the hooks, the visualizations, the thumbnails,
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all
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the stuff that shows somebody, this is really, really, really valuable.
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That's the stuff to iterate on.
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Yeah.
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Earns you more likes and subscribes.
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And so I just think like people get the whole thing.
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But no one's thinking about it that way, right?
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Like that's the, that's this mission that we're on.
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Yeah.
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It is like you're using a YouTube analogy that has fundamentally been something
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that
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we as consumers have engaged with and we're on the other end of, but then like
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the
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historical context is you go to work and you come up with like whatever your
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boss
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tells you to create whatever ebook and you form gate it and then you sort of,
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it
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doesn't matter if your marketing is good or not.
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You're, you're, you're, you're just enrolling people into some like,
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predefined nurture sequence and your job's done.
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Um, and so I think that's something that's really compelling.
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What we've talked about to try to decode this for B2B companies with what
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exactly
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literally what you just said was give away 80% of your content and your job in
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giving that away.
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Sure.
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There might be some like SEO components and all of this for, for a portion of
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it.
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But overall it's to demonstrate value and give away that value, whether it's
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educational, entertaining, like an inspirational, whatever it is you're trying
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to do so that when you're pulling back that 20% that's exclusive or gated or
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however you want to phrase it, um, people already have sort of a cognitive
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reference of the type of content that PostScript is creating or name your
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company is creating.
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Um, so I think it's, it's easy to pick on one gated asset in isolation, but I
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think that, you know, our job is market, first of all, like just to sum up this
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conversation with the things really good one is like, is to do good marketing,
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be give enough away for free, see, test the cost action and points of
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conversion there to actually get people topped in.
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But I think that's predicated on D, which is create incredible gated content
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or exclusive content or whatever you want to call it or events and experiences
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or whatever it is that is of premium value or however you want to find
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something
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people will be willing to pay for and don't make them pay for it.
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Just make them give you an email address in order to access it.
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So, um, anyway, I'm with you.
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I think anyway, yeah, it's like common sense, right?
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Yeah.
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It's like, a people on the internet love to troll, right?
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Like they love to say, okay, a content is evil or whatever.
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They never carried a bag.
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You'd not only have they not carried a bag, but like again, that's like that
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part of it doesn't matter.
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It's so right.
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It's like, you know, the.
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If you're not, um, helping your ideal customers solve a really important
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problem
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or entertaining them or hopefully a really nice combo of both.
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Yeah.
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And then none of it matters because that means that you're not like breaking
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through the noise and then that's where like the gating of a thing becomes a
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hack,
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you know, like, you know, and that's what people react to because you're trying
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to like use, um, access level hacks to cover up the fact that your marketing
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wasn't helpful or entertaining.
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Right.
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And feel like that's worth attacking, right?
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Like that that's, that's not good.
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But if you just focus on solving your customers problems and making it as
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entertaining as possible, um, where they're going to want to see it and come
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back.
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Like, I don't know about you, but like I've probably downloaded a thousand e-
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books
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in my life and they go in my download folder.
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I dragged them into like a miscellaneous folder on my desktop.
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Never read them.
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I never read one of them.
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You're just made it out of downloads.
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That's two steps back.
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Sometimes I'll drag it out and I'll be like, Oh, I'm going to put that on my
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desktop.
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So one day I remember to potentially read it.
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And then like three weeks later, I see it on there.
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I just drag it into the most length, mid-slane and then it never sees the light
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of day again.
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Right.
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So it's like what did I think it's right to understand that that's probably
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what happens.
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And if your whole marketing thing is like built to get a PDF to show up in
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someone's download folder and then you're like, yes, got one.
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Yeah.
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You're off.
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You're doing the wrong stuff.
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Yeah.
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But you should really be focused on is creating stuff that people are like, Oh,
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I can't wait to like actually digest this, whether it's a video or a download
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or
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a webinar, whatever the whatever the heck it is.
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If it's good enough, that won't happen.
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It won't end up in a miscellaneous folder that ends up getting drug into
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trash six months later and never sees light of day.
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So like focus on making good stuff, not on trying to get people to like trick
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them to give you their email, like create something.
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That's worthy of it.
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And then no one will care if there's a gate or there's not.
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Love it.